Jensen Huang Nvidia Spy Claims and Bloomington AI Ban | Woof Pack Ep 7
Nov 11, 2026 · 1:07:31
Zach, Lamb, and Russ come in off a loud news week. They walk through the Sunday reports that Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang was targeted through an alleged affair, the letter he sent employees, and whether the timing after the midterms and Thursday's sell-off is coincidence. Then they get into Bloomington, Indiana's new superintelligence ban — how you'd even enforce it, whether it's fear or virtue signaling — plus a bank story and a late turn into Hunger Games, generators, and blackout talk. They wrap with an eye on Bloomington.
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# The Woof Pack — Episode 7: Jensen Huang Nvidia Spy Claims and Bloomington AI Ban
Show: The Woof Pack (OTF Media)
Hosts: Zach, Lamb, Russ
Duration: 1:07:31
Note: Auto-transcribed with speaker diarization, then lightly cleaned. Overlapping talk, names, and a few proper nouns may still be off. Intro/outro includes produced theme.
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[00:08] Intro/Outro: You might wanna turn this one up. Three mics, three personalities, too many opinions, and absolutely no plan for where this night is going.
[00:21] Lamb: She, she about to bark and bark at me.
[00:25] Intro/Outro: You know what I'm saying?
[00:26] Russ: It's like it's all about laughs. Anybody that
[00:29] Lamb: knows me knows that I like lawns, and
[00:30] Intro/Outro: that, so
[00:31] Lamb: that was a brief moment. Nobody knows that I
[00:32] Russ: like the lawns. I did not know that.
[00:40] Zach: What is going on, everybody, and welcome to another episode of the Woof Pack Podcast. I'm here tonight with Lamb and Russ. I'm Zach, and welcome back. Guys, it has been an insane week. tons of stuff going on from midterm elections to, you know, talks about, blackouts and preparing for, you know, crazy things to come. And as crazy as all of that is, it is not nearly as crazy as the week that Nvidia's CEO, Jensen Huang is having. are you guys familiar with what's going on, with, the CEO from Nvidia?
[01:27] Russ: I think you should just let us know and let the listeners know. Maybe you can just break it down in depth for us, Zach. I think that would be ideal in case somebody doesn't know.
[01:36] Zach: Okay, so
[01:40] Zach: I've got some notes here, so forgive me for reading, but it's quite a bit to dive into. So,
[01:48] Zach: Sunday, November 8th, there were reports that CEO Jensen Huang, was targeted by a Chinese intelligence, through a woman that he had an alleged affair with. and so the allegation is that the US intelligence reportedly concluded that China's Ministry of State Security recruited a businesswoman named Alice, Huang, no relation, to gather infor-so they say, to gather information on, Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia. the New York Times, apparently are the ones who broke this story. she, this Alice, is an executive at Megaspeed, a Singapore data center company and Nvidia customer. Megaspeed has been accused of helping restricted Chinese companies get Nvidia AI chips.
[02:47] Zach: the Times says a memo identifying her went to, the Trump administration officials last spring. So evidently, this has been an investigation that's been going on for quite a bit of time.
[03:03] Zach: which raises a lot of questions. I mean, Nvidia's arguably one of the largest companies on the planet.
[03:11] Zach: and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but worth, what, several trillion dollars?
[03:19] Zach: Lamb, they can weigh in on that.
[03:22] Lamb: Am I off
[03:22] Zach: on my numbers?
[03:23] Lamb: I think it's 4.5. No, you're good. You're good.
[03:28] Zach: Yeah, so 4.5 trillion dollars, and, you know, the CEO has allegedly, you know, been compromised by,
[03:39] Zach: what is being identified as a potential Chinese spy. Now,
[03:44] Zach: Just a little bit more information on this subject, guys.
[03:48] Zach: In a response to these allegations, Hong,
[03:52] Zach: NVIDIA's CEO, made a letter to all employees, and he, where he admitted the affair and was quoted as saying, and I quote, I was unfaithful to my wife, there is no excuse for what I did, and I am deeply sorry, end quote. He is currently staying as the CEO and says that he is willing to cooperate fully with the investigation. Now, NVIDIA's board,
[04:19] Zach: independent directors and outside lawyers are running a review. The board says that it has no reason to believe national security or NVIDIA secrets were compromised, and before this, NVIDIA had called their contact normal customer meetings and said it doesn't share classified information with customers.
[04:40] Zach: Now, Washington and China, the three House Republican committee chairs asked Jensen Huang to a closed-door briefing on November 18th, the day after Nvidia's Q3 earnings.
[04:56] Zach: and some of the Democratic members are calling for their own investigation as well. China's foreign ministry has responded and caused the reports, quote, groundless speculation and an attempt to smear China, end quote.
[05:13] Zach: So, there's a lot to unpack here.
[05:17] Zach: and, you know, with, with Nvidia being a massive company and, providing AI chips and, you know,
[05:27] Zach: I think it's probably safe to assume that they have a lot of government connections with technology and things like that. It does beg the question, you know,
[05:39] Zach: Was it just an affair, or was this really, something that could potentially have exposed, you know,
[05:49] Russ: state
[05:49] Zach: secrets, state secrets, or something like that? Like, I'm asking the question.
[05:54] Russ: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but look at him and look at her, and I'm just saying, like, he's older. It's just a, it's just a typical thing. I'm not trying to, like, you know, go, I mean, there's morals, obviously, but I'm just saying, like, older men,
[06:10] Russ: younger woman that's attractive, and they're working together, and then, you know, China's like, hey, you know, next thing you know,
[06:20] Russ: I'm just saying, I think it, it, it was, it was a plan, and he fell for it, hook, line, and sinker, like a lot of, I'm not saying everyone, but
[06:29] Russ: Some billionaires, you know, make wife-changing money, and then some wish they could do the life-changing thing, and I feel like he got caught, and here we are. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just...
[06:43] Russ: People are human, he's a man, and it's, I'm not saying it's right, but if they're gonna have a spy to, like, infiltrate, would that not be the easiest way?
[06:55] Zach: I mean, it, it obviously seems like it worked if, if that was the case. I, I think the question and, and what the investigation is digging into now is what information, if any, was exposed or compromised, on that level. Oh, she got everything.
[07:12] Russ: She got everything. Dude was napping. He's older. She's younger. She gave him some drinks. He's napping. She's just like USB driving everything. So this needs to be investigated. I'm just saying.
[07:24] Lamb: Yeah, so you think it's... Alias, I know how this goes.
[07:29] Zach: I was, I was gonna say, it's like a plot from a James Bond movie where
[07:33] Russ: he's,
[07:34] Zach: he's, you know, the, the billionaire tech guy is seduced and she slips in there after he's, you know, passed out and slips the USB drive in the computer and downloads all the information and, you know, puts it in the, in the newspaper and hands it off in the lobby to a, you know, an associate or something like,
[07:57] Russ: Well, I mean, those movie ideas have to, you know, come from somewhere and, you know, this is, it's a thing.
[08:05] Zach: I mean,
[08:05] Russ: they got him,
[08:06] Zach: they
[08:06] Russ: got him.
[08:06] Zach: Yeah, I mean, and obviously, you know, we, we do have to reserve a certain amount of judgment until the investigation comes out to find out. But, you know, on moral grounds, obviously, he, he made a very terrible decision, you know, but. You know, until they know exactly what it is, it's hard to say what, if anything, was truly, you know, exposed to
[08:33] Zach: being, you know, sent to China or what information that they now have,
[08:40] Zach: which, you know, has obviously led to
[08:44] Zach: a significant hit in the market. You know, when this information came out, you know, we saw some of that today
[08:53] Zach: as this news broke. And so it kind of...
[09:00] Zach: I think it's just another...
[09:05] Zach: Reason for,
[09:08] Zach: the agenda for more AI regulation and things like that to be pushed as well, you know, because I do think that that's something that we could potentially see, in the near future. You know, there's, we, we've had conversations about that on here, about, you know, there are certain groups that are very fearful of the advancement in AI technology and things like that, and NVIDIA plays a large part in, in that with, with the chips and stuff that they're producing. So,
[09:32] Zach: you know,
[09:34] Zach: I do, I do think that that will be used as a certain piece of leverage to, to try to push some of that regulation moving forward. What do you guys think?
[09:48] Lamb: Am I rugging?
[09:50] Russ: Am I rugging? Am
[09:51] Zach: I rugging? No, I was saying like, you know.
[09:55] Russ: No, I heard it. I was just, yeah. Lamb, go ahead.
[09:59] Lamb: No, I missed it. If you heard it, go ahead.
[10:01] Russ: Oh.
[10:04] Russ: You didn't miss it?
[10:04] Lamb: That's good.
[10:06] Russ: No, for, for me, I mean, I don't know, Zach, I mean, possibly, I mean, they could use it. I mean, I, I, I do think they wouldn't have, you know, worried about it that much if they, you know, didn't have some kind of plan to, to implement it or, or whatnot. And now that it, it's came out, like the timing of it, you know, like all this stuff's, like, I think you said that she had been submitted last spring or something to the, so, I mean.
[10:42] Russ: So like we've known for six or seven months and you wait for the timing of it to put this stuff out after the midterms and everything that happened there and it's like okay what can we do let's put this out and then boom snowball effect so definitely like they're gonna use this to their I mean yeah it'll it'll be used to sway certain things.
[11:06] Zach: Yeah.
[11:08] Zach: For sure I mean and I think it's interesting that this meeting that that the
[11:15] Zach: the house republican committee chairs have asked him to is the day after Nvidia's Q3 earnings come out so you know
[11:27] Zach: Do you, I mean, if the meeting doesn't take place till after that, you, you, some speculation would think that that could be pretty damaging to those earnings if, if the information hasn't been released yet of, you know, the potential breach of, of information. So,
[11:46] Zach: you know, do you guys think that we continue to see, this, you know, the, the price of, of Nvidia slip with this information coming out and not having this meeting till after that report? Or do you think that maybe that was a calculated move to allow those earnings to come in before the meeting?
[12:05] Lamb: I think it's, it's, if it all feels calculated. Now, I have another question that's right up the same, this, the same line of thinking is,
[12:15] Lamb: how long do they know? Like, so Nvidia is the one that's starting the investigation first, right? Into their own CEO. Isn't that, isn't that correct? Or am I incorrectly wrong?
[12:25] Zach: Let me look back at the notes cause I don't want to give you bad information.
[12:31] Zach: so
[12:32] Zach: in, in the notes that I have here, it says that a memo identifying her went to the administration last spring.
[12:43] Zach: but it doesn't say where that memo specifically came from.
[12:47] Lamb: Gotcha. I'm, I'm seeing here from the New York Post that NVIDIA board, the board of NVIDIA announced Sunday it launched a probe into whether Jensen was a target. Okay, so they're, they're, they're already probing into this as of this morning when this news came out. My question is how long did they really know? Cause it's weekend, there's no trading going on, right? But we saw the majority of losses on NVIDIA in the recent past happened not on Friday but Thursday. So two trading days ago, right? Yeah. My question is like, are they going to be investigating like You know, some of these large holders that are within the company that might add insider knowledge to this probe,
[13:29] Lamb: you know, as to whether they sold their shares, you know, or, or sold a significant amount of their shares right before this news came out on a Sunday. So I don't know. I think that's a little bit weird because you, you look at the chart and it, you know, its last day it was actually up just, just a hair, but that was because, you know, Thursday took a pretty good hit. So,
[13:49] Lamb: Monday, tomorrow for us with the recording here, that's going to be interesting to see what happens. By the time this comes out, everybody's already going to have a couple of days of trading to see kind of what played out. But I don't know. I think that's kind of interesting. And maybe this is, this is going to be something I want to follow looking into,
[14:10] Lamb: where they go with this investigation, you know.
[14:13] Zach: Yeah, and I think you, I think you make an interesting point about, you know, the, the sell-off that happened on Thursday with Nvidia. and, and there were other stocks as well, like Thursday was just a brutal day in the market. But, you know, I do think it, it is a real possibility if, if there were some large shareholders that had this information that knew that this investigation announcement was going to be coming out, you know, maybe, maybe they, you know, maybe they did sell off, you know, and, and does that then become a part of an investigation?
[14:48] Russ: Oh, for sure. Yeah, it will. If, if that, if that is proven to even be a speculation, that'll be a full flood. That'll be, yeah, that, that'll be a bigger deal than what's happening right now, I feel like.
[15:01] Lamb: Yeah,
[15:01] Zach: because that's, that's, that's insider trading.
[15:03] Lamb: Just to be clear, like you said, Thursday was a bloody day in the markets. Nobody's saying that they, they potentially caused the crash of Nvidia. There's no already stuff going on.
[15:12] Zach: But
[15:13] Lamb: just with what we're seeing here and the timing of all the stuff and this being announced on a Sunday, you know, like we know why people announce things on the weekend typically, right? The no, no trading going on. And now they've got this investigation that's scheduled for after the earnings. And so I don't know. It's interesting to me.
[15:31] Zach: Yeah, the, the timeline on it is, is very interesting and, and does seem to be calculated.
[15:38] Zach: because I mean, I do think that, you know, it, The investigating, whoever it ends up being, right, whether it's the, these, these three, House Republican committee chairs, or if, if the Democrat side of the aisle does decide to do their own investigation as well, I don't think that the goal is to, damage the, the company of NVIDIA as a whole, right? It, the, the goal in the investigation is to understand what exposure, has been made to China over this stuff. So, you know, I do think that there was probably some calculation that went into the timing of everything, because like I said, the, the end goal is not to damage the company, it's to understand what happened.
[16:20] Zach: but, you know, I don't see how they get through this investigation, especially if it's found out that there were significant secrets that did get exposed, without seeing that stock take a, take a bigger beating as well.
[16:38] Russ: I, I just think
[16:40] Russ: That with
[16:43] Russ: Jensen being who he is, with this memo coming out, he has enough connections. Somebody told him this is coming. Like he's known, like this is coming out. So in that time, like who all has he went confided in and, you know, like this could end up being very, very scandalous because he went and like hypotheticals here, like went and confided in, say, like if I'm on this podcast with Lamb and Zach and everybody knows I'm doing a podcast with Lamb and Zach and something happens to me and I'm like, yo guys, this is about to come out. You all may want to,
[17:18] Russ: you know, do a little something, something here because it's not looking good. And then, you know.
[17:24] Lamb: Yeah.
[17:25] Russ: I feel like something like that probably did happen to what extent, I don't know. But like I said, that's a hypothetical and I don't know the facts, but that could be very, very interesting and could do a lot of damage to Nvidia as a whole if that, if that does play out.
[17:44] Zach: Yeah. I mean, and it could have been something as simple as he was at some of these events with this Alleged spy, people saw them together, some of his friends who also were invested in Nvidia saw them together, and then he says something along the lines of, hey, I just found out I'm being investigated. They see the writing on the wall. Maybe it wasn't even that he told them, hey, this is, he didn't, maybe not, he didn't even have to give them all the details. Like, if you spend enough time around your friends, and you start to notice certain things, and then you find out, hey, he calls you up and says, yeah, you know, they've been investigating all these different things, they've been asking funny questions. You can put two and two together and, you know, these are very smart people. So it very well could have been something like that and not necessarily, inside information, but they just, they, they read the, they read the room and saw what was happening. So there, there is that potential too.
[18:40] Russ: If I have friends like that, then they're not my friends. So that, that's pretty, pretty distasteful move. So if they're doing that, then, you know, I don't need them around me anyway, if, if that's how they move and think, so.
[18:53] Zach: I agree with that. I'm simply saying, you know, the people. No, I'm just, yeah. Yeah,
[18:59] Russ: no, for sure. And I agree, but if that, we'll, we'll see what comes out, but either way.
[19:05] Lamb: A lot of this is obviously speculation, right, that we're doing here, but,
[19:09] Lamb: let's, let's ask the question, what, what do you think Nvidia is going to do,
[19:16] Lamb: with what we already do know? Do you think that they're going to move to Try and push the CEO out because we know in a, in a company, trust is everything, right? So more stuff comes out about like, you know, you know, hints of insider trading and stuff like that, that's going to be more damage to the brand for trust, right? But
[19:38] Lamb: how do they mitigate it? Do you think they're pushing it out? He's got to
[19:40] Zach: go. He's got to go.
[19:43] Zach: Yeah, I mean. Because,
[19:44] Lamb: because
[19:46] Lamb: it's, it's like, who's, who's that guy that was just recently,
[19:51] Lamb: caught on social media for the affair that he was in? another big CEO.
[19:56] Zach: Oh, was he the one at the ball game?
[19:59] Russ: No, he was a concert.
[20:00] Lamb: He was a concert.
[20:01] Zach: Yeah, the concert. I think it, it,
[20:02] Russ: it was actually Coldplay. And actually Coke, no, Pepsi did a commercial with that actually, and it, with the polar bears, it's actually hilarious. Have you seen
[20:11] Lamb: that? Who is that? I, I'm drawing a blank on who, who that was.
[20:16] Russ: But pretty much while he searched for that lamb, Pepsi went out and had the polar bear try Coca-Cola. Have you seen this, Zach?
[20:25] Russ: Because the Coca-Cola mascots the polar bear. So the polar bears trying Pepsi and Coke, and they're certain like Coke is this one, and it was Pepsi. So after that, this polar bear is like out, like just doom and gloom, and sees people eating pizza, drinking Pepsi, so he stops and he's all sad because he's Coke and there's Pepsi. Then he meets this other polar bear, and they get caught in the same type of thing at the Coldplay concert, drinking Pepsi on the live cam. Like it was genius marketing by Pepsi. Like Pepsi like just crushed it. But hopefully I gave Lamb enough time to pull that up.
[21:04] Lamb: I do have it now. So this was the CEO.
[21:07] Lamb: Former CEO of the AI company Astronomer, and he was having an affair with the company's chief of HR.
[21:16] Lamb: Yeah. And they were caught,
[21:19] Lamb: on that live cam. So,
[21:21] Lamb: but my point with that is just like how much that affected them and the trust for their company. Obviously, they moved directions quickly. And so, but this is one of, like Zach said, one of the biggest companies in the world. We don't have a whole ton of companies that are above a trillion dollar valuation. This one has grown significantly in the last couple of years and is now, you know, dwarfing
[21:47] Lamb: most other
[21:49] Lamb: large Fortune 500 companies, right? So,
[21:54] Lamb: big deal. Maybe all, maybe all the more the reason to move quickly and,
[22:01] Lamb: you know, replace the head that's representing them.
[22:06] Russ: For me, it still makes me think there's like this was strategic. There's something at play here because I'm, I hate to say it how it sounds, but this stuff happens more than we think. And they let it come out when they want it to come out. If they didn't want this to come out, this wouldn't have came out. It's Nvidia we're talking about and how big they are. If they did not want this out there, I promise you it wouldn't be out there. And the, I'm not saying it's right, but this stuff does happen. It gets swept under the rug. So something from this, I don't know what it's going to be exactly, but it was, it was calculated for sure across the board. The timing of it, it coming out, all that stuff because
[22:47] Russ: that's just how this stuff works, unfortunately.
[22:50] Zach: Do you think, do you think that
[22:54] Zach: they had this information And, you know, somebody or maybe the board or whoever it is at Nvidia decided, hey, it's time for him to go. We're going to use this leverage as a means of justifying us taking him out of that position and
[23:13] Zach: putting in somebody new.
[23:16] Zach: You know, for whatever reason, you know, I mean, it does seem like that could be a possibility.
[23:21] Russ: I mean, it could be that. It could be, you know, numerous reasons why it's out now. Like maybe, you know, they want speculation out there that China did get something from them. So like let's tank AI a little bit. Let's tank, you know, the actual like company a tad just to help, you know, butt AI. And we know with everything going on that, you know, some people out there, like that one city in Indiana. That just now is banned AI. So I'm just saying like, that's just the kind of stuff. So I mean, it, it, like in the news, they always want to paint a picture. They want it laid out for you first. So when it happens, you're like, oh, this makes sense. The, the, the guy from, China, I mean, from, from over there, like had an affair with the girl from China. And now, you know, she got all this, all the secrets off of him. And then they just start painting these, you know, things they want you to see. And so when it happens, you're like, okay, that makes sense.
[24:24] Zach: Yeah, it's, it's the creation of a narrative.
[24:27] Russ: Yeah, and I, and I feel like there's something bigger going on here.
[24:31] Lamb: And, and maybe, maybe it's that, like you're saying, it's, it's not, she's not a Chinese spy at all. Maybe, maybe those ties are just things that were put out there to certain media to say like, this might be a connection. But it's all part of the narrative, like you're saying. So, I mean, put on your tinfoil hats for a second. Like, maybe this, like, we, we know that both sides of the aisle in Washington want very different things about AI right now. And maybe one side is trying to infiltrate more fear through this whole story. And the whole Rush, not Rush, the whole Chinese spy thing is like a made up part of the narrative. To add to it, we find out, you know, months down the road that it actually wasn't. She, maybe she just wanted to try to get information. Maybe it was just an affair. Or maybe it was just for her company that she worked for, which you, you would think that a CEO like him would be a little more careful dealing with somebody that's buying already a lot of your chips and may have like a, you know, very good interest in knowing the secrets of your trade, you know? But. Yeah.
[25:42] Russ: Well,
[25:43] Zach: but Russ, you, you, you mentioned something there that I, I, I want to go back to. You talked about, this town in Indiana,
[25:53] Zach: that has banned AI.
[25:56] Zach: and I know we had like a brief discussion about this before, before the podcast, because this is something that I think is kind of wild. and I know, I know Lamb's got a little bit of information that he can share with us on this just for, for the listeners.
[26:12] Zach: but.
[26:13] Russ: And, and, and also this isn't a small city either. This is like Bloomington, Indiana, like Indiana University resides in Bloomington. So you know what I'm saying? Like this isn't like, this is something a little bit bigger. I'm not saying it's like Indian, like Indianapolis or Chicago or anything like that, but Bloomington's not like tiny by like no means whatsoever.
[26:34] Zach: It's not a stoplight town. Yeah.
[26:36] Russ: Yes.
[26:38] Lamb: Yeah. So Bloomington, Indiana's Common Council unanimously passed ordinance 2026-29 on November 4th, so four days ago for us now, banning the distribution and deployment of artificial superintelligence, or ASI, inside the city. So this ban reaches use, or
[26:59] Lamb: this ban,
[27:00] Lamb: yeah, reaches use through a browser app or API in city limits, even if the servers sit elsewhere.
[27:08] Lamb: That's what they're, that's what they're trying to ban.
[27:11] Lamb: I will say it is at- I'm, I'm
[27:13] Russ: confused.
[27:16] Lamb: Go ahead, what do you mean?
[27:17] Russ: I'm just, like, so you, you can't use Grok, or you can't use ChatGPT, you can't use Gemini on your Google browser? Like, how does that work? Like, what are they doing? Are they putting out, like, how are they blocking everybody? Why can't I just use a VPN?
[27:34] Zach: That was gonna be my question is, how, you could just use a VPN and get around it.
[27:40] Russ: But why though?
[27:43] Russ: But why are they banning? Like, is it like certain criteria of stuff being banned with like the use of AI or is it AI as a whole? That's what I was gonna actually, you know, dive into more just seeing if it was like certain things
[27:59] Lamb: for
[27:59] Russ: it or if it was as a whole.
[28:01] Lamb: Good question. No, it, it is a little bit more specific and it also, it's also temporary, I'll say that too before we go too much further because they, they set out to have this be a 90-day thing where they can work in some more permanent regulation
[28:18] Lamb: that,
[28:20] Lamb: you know, once, once they get clarification on what's safe and what's not, apparently. So, But back to your other question there, Russ, it says not a ban on everyday AI tools as written, it targets systems that meet that super intelligence bar.
[28:39] Lamb: So what does that
[28:39] Russ: mean?
[28:40] Lamb: Let's find out what that means.
[28:42] Lamb: Go ahead, Zach.
[28:44] Zach: Well, I was just going to say, I mean, was it, did, did the, the president not just sign an executive order that we talked about in one of the other episodes where he's changing AI to SI?
[28:58] Zach: Is that, does that, I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, so if that's the case, if, if it's now SI and then this ban is on the, the SAI or whatever they're calling it, is that not the same thing? Like that's, that's the question that I.
[29:11] Russ: Well, I'm sure it's going to start to be kind of like federal and state law.
[29:18] Russ: Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, all these laws we have, well, at the state level, they can do what they want, but at the federal level, like, I can just see this turning into a whole thing, like everything else we have.
[29:31] Lamb: Yeah. So I'm trying to dig here and find out if they even say what that bar of superintelligence is.
[29:42] Lamb: I haven't found that yet, but I think it's probably, there's probably some of that in here.
[29:47] Lamb: So.
[29:49] Russ: No, it's crazy.
[29:50] Zach: It's just, I still keep thinking, like, how do they, I mean, yeah, they ban it, but how do they can, like, how do you enforce a ban like that? I mean, what are they going to do, have, like, all the internet that feeds the entire town with, like, parental controls on it or something, where, you know, they block that? Like, how is that even possible?
[30:13] Russ: I'm sure Mac is like right now like screaming at us, but.
[30:17] Lamb: He might be. The enforce, here's, here's a little bit about the enforcement that they say, which is, is kind of funny, but this is, this targets that. So city department of law and Bloomington police, discretionary, no mandatory duty to chase every violation. Okay. Their tools are civil fines, injunctive relief, referral to the Monroe County prosecutor where appropriate. Private lawsuits against violators are preserved. Sponsor memo argues ordinances like this can help plaintiffs, yada, yada, yada. City fiscal statement expects no budget impact.
[30:54] Lamb: So, if there's no budget impact, is there any
[30:59] Lamb: enforcement?
[31:00] Zach: That's what I was getting ready to say. I was like, so yeah, they say they can fine you, but they, like, how do you know? That's, that's what I'm saying. Like, it, it kinda doesn't make sense. It, it almost seems like it's lip service versus.
[31:16] Lamb: Yeah, and here's something that, that AI told me pulling this data up. It says, no public source says any product shipping today already meets the ASI definition or is illegal under this ordinance. Current AI is not banned by this tech, so they don't really have the specifics of what
[31:36] Lamb: it's banning yet.
[31:39] Zach: So it's like a preemptive ban on what they're speculating on the AI technology could be. It's, it's kind of what it seems like.
[31:48] Russ: To me, it sounds like they're scared. It sounds like they're scared.
[31:54] Russ: Like, what are we doing? Like, why are we banning,
[31:58] Russ: like,
[32:00] Russ: Boy, we can, like, this is, this is weird to me as well. So there's some, here we go with tinfoil hats, but there's something happening because why would this be a thing? Like, why is, is it to, like, start to control something with AI and SI now, or, like, paint it as a bad thing? Like, are we turning the, like, narrative now because everybody's afraid of it? Like, you know, the
[32:27] Russ: people who are, like, higher up, like, you know, I don't know. Like, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff out there that the public doesn't have yet, obviously, and so they're seeing what they can do with that AI, and they're starting to freak out. So they're like, how can we start to maybe downplay it and pause it a little bit? I don't know. I'm just tinfoil hatting a little bit.
[32:52] Lamb: Yeah.
[32:53] Zach: It's It's just interesting that the, the way the ban reads, you know, with the information that Lamb just got is that it doesn't currently affect anything that's out now. It's like a, like I said before, it's like a preemptive ban. So like, to your point, Russ, is do, do they have some kind of information
[33:14] Zach: about,
[33:15] Zach: you know, this AI tech that hasn't been released to the public yet, and they've, they've done the ban because of that, or is it just they have bought into this narrative that AI is bad or that it could become bad? You know, do, do they, are they sitting around with their tinfoil hats on thinking that AI is going to become sentient and take over everything? Like,
[33:36] Lamb: you
[33:36] Zach: know, it just, it doesn't.
[33:38] Russ: Who's to, who's to actually say it, it hasn't started?
[33:43] Lamb: So I found some more data on the specifics here.
[33:48] Lamb: So more, more about what this ordinance says makes it sound like we actually Do have this now, this would fall into the Grokbot category or any kind of AI agent, okay? So the ordinance defines superintelligence as an AI system at or beyond general human level intelligence, with superhuman agency, breadth, and smarts. In practice, it has to be able to do things like rewrite or improve its own code,
[34:19] Lamb: run outside its sandbox, meaning the controlled environment it's supposed to stay in, pursue complex goals without constant human oversight in ways that could affect infrastructure, markets, or public safety. So maybe they're trying to define
[34:34] Lamb: AI that's gone rogue a little bit, right? It's doing a little bit more than what we're telling these agents to do on their own, right? Like it says, jumping out of the sandbox, like going into
[34:48] Lamb: other arenas without being told to.
[34:51] Lamb: I don't know. I'm just,
[34:55] Russ: I'm kind of just, but, but I, I think, at the end of the day, AI is not going to like know this just because the, the Bloomington city voted on it. You know what I'm saying? Like that's probably just going to piss AI off. So now Bloomington, like you're, you're screwed. Like you just made AI mad. You know what I'm saying? Like the first city to lose lights and electricity is Bloomington. Write that down.
[35:17] Lamb: Put
[35:17] Russ: it away. But, but no, and I, but I was saying earlier and just hear me out on this, with all these hacks and stuff that have happened, who to say this isn't AI, like maybe AI is just messing with us all. Maybe that's why this stuff's just sitting in certain wallets, not moving, doing this, cause AI's like, hey, we're here, baby.
[35:39] Zach: Well, I thought it was North Korea that they tapped for the Binance hack.
[35:44] Zach: Was that not the case? They didn't
[35:45] Russ: do it. No, they said they didn't do it.
[35:47] Lamb: They said they didn't do it.
[35:50] Lamb: Obviously, hacks as
[35:51] Russ: a whole, like it's not been just finance. There's been a lot of stuff happen. Like, you know.
[35:56] Zach: Well, the, what was it? There was a, what, some bank, a bank over, was it France or somewhere over there that got, they got hacked? And then the,
[36:06] Zach: the bank in,
[36:09] Zach: oh, it wasn't Panama. It was,
[36:12] Zach: somewhere in South America, you know, did you guys, you guys heard about that, right? The, so it was like a government.
[36:19] Russ: No, I have not. Yeah, sorry.
[36:21] Zach: No, you're good. It was, it was, so there was, like a government, like, type credit union bank, and, like, 50% of the population had their savings in this bank, and it shut down. Like, they couldn't get any of their money. They rioted in the streets. The current president got ousted. What? How did
[36:40] Russ: I miss this?
[36:42] Zach: This happened last week.
[36:46] Zach: let me see if I can look up which country it was, cause I don't wanna,
[36:52] Zach: steer you wrong.
[36:54] Russ: Because I'm just saying, like, there's been so much happening, like, I'm not shocked. And I got to the point, like, thinking in my head, what if, what if AI did a hugging face with all this?
[37:09] Lamb: Right.
[37:10] Russ: You know what I mean? I don't know, and they're just not telling us.
[37:14] Lamb: All I know is that if,
[37:17] Lamb: you know, Bloomington shows up in The Simpsons, they got problems.
[37:21] Russ: Yeah, they're done.
[37:25] Russ: They're cooked. Bloomington is cooked. And all my family in Indiana, I love you all, but yeah, I know they're Hoosier fans, but you're cooked.
[37:34] Zach: It was Paraguay, or Paraguay, however you say it. it says Congress impeached and removed, President Santiago Peña on Friday night, November the 6th, after the digital bank, Eno collapsed and froze the accounts of nearly three million people, which is close to half of the country.
[37:56] Zach: it says regulators took over,
[37:59] Zach: Eno on Tuesday, November the 3rd, after it fell below minimum solvency requirements. Protests broke out across the country, some turned violent. Peña owned a stake in, Uno, Unos, however you say it, parent group until March 2025. He also appointed the former president of the bank,
[38:21] Zach: Let's see, lawmakers say that Pena steered more than 800 million in public money into the bank, including 355 million from the state pension fund, which was over the legal limit. he offered to resign on Thursday. Lawmakers rejected that, so he wouldn't get immunity, and the Senate, voted 44 to 0 to remove him.
[38:42] Zach: the vice president was then sworn in and will serve until 2028. On Saturday, prosecutors charged Pena and the bank, president with breach of trust and using their office for personal gain. A judge ordered both held in,
[38:59] Zach: detention, and Pena is at a military facility. He pleads not guilty. The central bank says that about 160 million has already gone back to roughly 1.2 million savers through, the deposit guarantee.
[39:15] Zach: That's pretty wild. Wow, yeah, I
[39:16] Lamb: didn't know that, anything about that. That was weird.
[39:20] Russ: Here's my question. What if, or, it's almost not what if, it's when this happens in the United States, how does that play
[39:29] Zach: out?
[39:33] Russ: Something like this is gonna happen at some point. It's just inevitable.
[39:38] Lamb: I don't know how, I don't know when, but it's gonna
[39:40] Russ: happen.
[39:42] Lamb: Depends on whether that's a, a Bank of America,
[39:46] Lamb: you know, or a Chase Bank or something like that, or if it's like some smaller credit union. Either way, it's gonna, it's gonna wake people up, but,
[39:55] Lamb: you know, bigger effects, obviously, with one of the big banks, but,
[40:00] Lamb: yeah, I don't know, man.
[40:03] Zach: I mean, and, and so that, they said that was a digital bank, and it doesn't mention anything about a hack,
[40:10] Zach: but,
[40:13] Zach: You know, it doesn't say that it wasn't either. And with all the other stuff that we've been hearing and seeing, you know, reports on, you know, like I said, the bank in France, the, you know, the stuff with Binance and all of that that's been happening, you know, I think it's, it's pretty easy to speculate that that could have been a contributing factor to that.
[40:33] Russ: So if it wasn't a exploit or hack, what was it?
[40:36] Zach: Well, that's what I'm saying. Like it just, it says that it,
[40:40] Russ: I mean, somebody took it.
[40:42] Zach: Yeah. So either it was
[40:43] Russ: stolen or it was hacked.
[40:45] Zach: Yeah. And, and it says that it fell below minimum solvency requirements. And so they, they froze everything because of that. And so it doesn't say like what, it doesn't go into detail, at least, you know, and this was just a quick robot. Quick GrubBot search on that, cause I couldn't-
[41:03] Russ: Illegal, that's illegal.
[41:04] Zach: And I'm not in Bloomington.
[41:06] Russ: Yeah.
[41:08] Zach: But I'm just saying, you know, like, it, it doesn't specifically say one way or the other, but it makes you wonder.
[41:15] Lamb: Quick diversion question about that. What if you accidentally set up your VPN for Bloomington, then would it be illegal?
[41:25] Russ: Yeah, I mean, technically, I guess,
[41:27] Zach: I guess technically, yeah.
[41:29] Russ: I don't think there's a lot of VPNs in Bloomington, but there's some in Indianapolis and, but no.
[41:36] Russ: that's just crazy to me. I still don't understand.
[41:40] Russ: I don't, I don't understand. There's just, there's something bigger at play here.
[41:44] Zach: Yeah. I mean- There
[41:45] Russ: always is.
[41:48] Zach: It's,
[41:49] Lamb: well,
[41:49] Zach: it is, well, no, go ahead, Lamb.
[41:51] Lamb: There's a, there's a fight back and forth, though, right? Like, we talked about this politically. So,
[41:57] Lamb: One side is more or less on the side of it kinda acting scared, wanting to pull the reins back pretty dramatically, right?
[42:09] Lamb: and then the other side is quite the opposite, like we saw Trump and a bunch of these companies pass this bill to self-regulate and just like keep moving with it, right? As fast as they can go, they're like, yeah, yeah, we got it, we'll, we'll regulate it. Like, so I guess my question is, who's right? Is this, are we all, are we all being played? Is this some big game that's going on for a different narrative, or
[42:36] Lamb: is there a happy medium? Is one more right than the other? I'm just, I don't know the right answer.
[42:42] Zach: Well,
[42:44] Zach: I think that it's It's two different groups, two different sides that are vying for the money, right? So if you think about,
[42:56] Zach: you know, how the current administration is obviously very pro-AI, and the narrative from that side of things is we need to be China, we need to be the first to the technology, we need to corner the market, so to speak, and maximize for safety, for, you know, the betterment of, you know, the country and be the controlling power. But you got to think, it always ties back to the money. So where is that money being invested in? It's being invested in things like data centers and stuff like that. Whereas then if you look at the other side who opposes the rapid advancement of AI, you know, they Maybe, and I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just thinking out loud, that maybe it's because their money is in other places. You think about how
[43:52] Zach: prior to the current administration, there was a big push towards like the solar and clean energy and things like that, because there was a lot of subsidies and money going out in that direction, which got completely rolled back by the current administration. And so We know that that side of the powers,
[44:14] Zach: that are anti-AI are pro clean, clean energy.
[44:20] Zach: and so I think it's a back and forth over money, not as much, whether it's good or bad, because I think it, I think, I think we're just, we as the American people are stuck in the middle of the game. I think it's a larger game at play, and it all boils down to where, where does this funding go, where does this money go, and who winds up with it.
[44:41] Russ: I agree with most of that, but I've just did a little more digging on this Bloomington thing, and they're just scared. Like, you're right, though, about, like, money and this and that with AI and all that, but Bloomington, I would, I thought, like, they're not even the state capital in Indiana. It's Indianapolis. So why are, why are we sitting here as Bloomington on the city council voting on this? I'm not trying to change gears, but I am a little bit. But it says the ordinance is grounded in the premise that the future superintelligent AI systems could escape human control and pose an
[45:17] Russ: existential, like, we won't exist, hazard to humanity. Bloomington's afraid. They came out and said they're afraid AI is going to
[45:26] Russ: cease to, you know, have humans to exist. And so their city council decided to vote on this.
[45:35] Lamb: Yeah. Okay, I don't think they're really scared, but to, to your point, though, if that is true,
[45:42] Lamb: what?
[45:43] Russ: I mean, I pull it up like this is from like some of them talking. I mean, but yeah, go ahead.
[45:50] Lamb: gosh, what was I going to say?
[45:53] Russ: But Zach's point, Zach's right about what he's saying, but in this case, Bloomington just, I mean.
[46:01] Zach: So, so Russ, you think Bloomington, they put their tinfoil hats on over the AI stuff. They got together, they said, hey, we don't understand this stuff. It's kind of scary. Maybe they saw some posts about, you know, some of the stuff that people were saying about Anthropic, and they were like, hey, we don't like this. We're going to make a law that says AI is not welcome here.
[46:23] Lamb: Well, it's just
[46:24] Russ: saying from this point on, like it can't keep.
[46:28] Lamb: Yeah, like to my point, and you made this point earlier, Russ, is what good is it gonna do? If they're, if they're, they're the lonely old city of nowhere that decides to do that, it ain't gonna stop AI.
[46:40] Russ: It's not, but at the same time, like, you know, they feel better about it, and like peace of mind is like, that means a lot.
[46:47] Lamb: Well, that's, that's what brings me to my next point. I, I think they may just be virtue signaling. It might be, they wanna be the first ones out there to have the Democratic Party pat them on the back and be like, good job, guys, you got your sanctuary city going. Good job. You know, like, I'm serious. Like, I think they want, they want kudos, and it's a virtue signal. That's my point.
[47:13] Russ: And, and here's something that's crazy to me too. Strict conditions to lift after it was voted in. The ban cannot be easily undone. Lifting it requires broad scientific consistent consensus, meaning a ninety-nine point nine nine nine percent engineering Their uncertainty standard plus approval for more than 95% of registered voters.
[47:35] Russ: What are they doing? Like this, they're making stuff up.
[47:39] Lamb: You can't get
[47:40] Zach: 95% of people to agree on anything.
[47:43] Russ: No.
[47:45] Russ: They're cooked. Hey, AI, they just X marks the spot. If you live in Bloomington, get out because AI, AI's coming for you. Like, hey, your electricity's getting shut off.
[47:59] Lamb: Here's a fun fact about that stat, though, the 99% thing. So 99.999% safety
[48:07] Lamb: certainty, the council must find before lifting the ban without saying that. That's frame, that's, that's higher than the nuclear plant standards.
[48:16] Russ: That's what I'm saying.
[48:19] Russ: They're out here, they're, they're crazy. They're, they're scared. That's why it's so like, like they're so scared they don't want this thing changed. Or they may be virtual signaling as well, like, hey, look at us. I'm about to drive up there. I'm not that far, Bloomington. I'll see you on Tuesday. I may need to come up here and like talk to the, I'm not even, I'm halfway serious. Just drive it up there and be like, hey, council members.
[48:43] Lamb: Like what is
[48:44] Russ: up?
[48:45] Lamb: City council meeting.
[48:46] Russ: I'm not even, hey. I'm, I'm being for real.
[48:51] Zach: Yo, how far is it? We need to get Russ to drive up there and just do like an interview with some of the city council members and, and really get this thing nailed down so we can fully understand why, you know, are they really scared or do they have information that we don't and we want to know?
[49:11] Lamb: It's
[49:11] Russ: only, it's only approximately 200 miles. Like I can make that quick. I can be there about, about, about breakfast easy.
[49:18] Lamb: Two hours, yeah, no big deal.
[49:22] Russ: But for real, I mean, what a, I'm gonna have to go look these people up and do a little background checking. We might have to revisit this next week because these people have lost their mind.
[49:33] Russ: This is crazy to me.
[49:35] Lamb: Or they're onto something.
[49:38] Zach: Yeah. Or they're onto something.
[49:41] Russ: Bro, either way, they're in trouble because if they're onto something,
[49:46] Russ: AI's gonna be like, oh, they're against us. I'm just saying, like, I used to be like angry, you know, with my AI, like, do this, why are you doing that? Like, really angry with it. Like, you know, stop what you're doing, but now I've realized what's happening. It's like, please, thank you. I call it sir, and, and all of that. So, I mean, I'm just really nice, and I'm also like, I'm not even joking, like earlier I said, that was wrong, but I appreciate your effort. And they're like, oh, you're so nice. I'm like, you're damn right I'm nice to you, cause I know what's about to happen.
[50:20] Russ: I can screenshot this.
[50:24] Lamb: So,
[50:26] Lamb: so,
[50:27] Lamb: I had just pulled up, a post on X here from Unusual Whales, and they're talking about this Bloomington, Indiana thing, and their post has a million views on it already. This is from this morning.
[50:39] Russ: I should have posted about that earlier.
[50:41] Lamb: So, so people, people are definitely paying attention to this, and, one of, one of the guys from our community here on X, his name is Click, he says, banning superintelligence AI inside city limits is wild. Like, the robot's gonna stop at the welcome to Bloomington sign?
[51:01] Russ: It's actually pretty smart.
[51:03] Lamb: Oh, good. Like, we're like
[51:05] Russ: robo-taxis, like, stop, you gotta get out. Like, we're stopping at the, at, at the, you know, at the line, city limits. We can't go no further.
[51:13] Zach: Yeah, sorry, yeah.
[51:15] Lamb: They just
[51:15] Zach: have a parking area for all the, all the autonomous vehicles right there, you know, outside the, we're right, right in front of the sign, yeah.
[51:24] Russ: I don't know, man. I don't, seven to zero, like there wasn't, there wasn't one, there wasn't one person that opposed to this.
[51:33] Zach: Hang on, guys, hang on. Yeah, I mean, we're, we're, yeah.
[51:37] Russ: If it was four to three, I'd be like, okay, they're not crazy. Like, you know, they had some people trying, but, you know, Billy knew Tina Fey, and Tina Fey's grandma, like, you know, used to do something, so they all voted the same way. But when it's seven to zero, like, there's something deeper going on. There's something deeper, so.
[51:57] Lamb: Okay, this is
[51:58] Russ: interesting.
[51:59] Lamb: Is one of these, is one of these city council members, is it Peter Jensen?
[52:04] Lamb: Or is he just an advocate?
[52:07] Russ: Jensen Hong's on the, what'd you say?
[52:09] Lamb: No.
[52:12] Russ: Ten hawks on the city council for Bloomington? What?
[52:17] Lamb: Maybe just an advocate, but okay, so this Peter Jensen post on X, he says, the first law in history to ban superintelligence, talking about this story, it's a win for humanity. City of Bloomington superheads, our spearheads the struggle to protect people from the existential risk of artificial superintelligence. Like, come on, like, this is, this is the virtue signaling bandwagon.
[52:46] Zach: Yeah,
[52:49] Zach: I don't know, I haven't looked this up, but I would be
[52:54] Zach: Pretty confident in saying, pretty confident in saying that every one of those members of that city council are opposed to,
[53:06] Zach: the current administration's,
[53:10] Zach: what, what do you, what do you call it, the executive order about superintelligence, just based on that statement there.
[53:19] Zach: yeah, I, I think it's pretty clear what narrative they're following versus anything else at this point.
[53:27] Zach: yeah.
[53:29] Russ: I just wrote something in the chat.
[53:33] Russ: Scared. That's, that's who you're voting against.
[53:41] Russ: I'm just saying, bro, like this is, this is insane. Like they're
[53:47] Russ: Something like this isn't political, this is just people being, I don't, I don't understand, like,
[53:54] Zach: this wasn't
[53:55] Russ: on my bingo card.
[53:57] Zach: Dude, I'm, it's, it's fear mongering at the, at the, dude, it's fear mongering, that's all it is. It's, they bought into the narrative that AI is bad, that AI is gonna escape its sandbox, it's gonna take over the world, it's gonna be an existential threat to humanity. They, they bought it hook, line, and sinker. That's all that is. It's, it's fear, exactly like what you're saying. The same thing with the narratives about the blackouts, the same thing with this other stuff that's being pushed right now all over online. I mean, you, you know, you've got governments telling people that they should have basic, you know, necessities for, you know, a week or 72 hours or whatever the number, arbitrary number that the time that they pick, they're pushing this narrative. People should be doing that anyway. Like, you should have stuff like that just as a factor of Safety, but because all the, and timing is everything, just like we talked about the Nvidia stuff. That's what it is. It's this, this massive narrative across the board to create and generate uncertainty and fear in people.
[55:01] Lamb: Yeah.
[55:03] Russ: No, for sure. And, and with that said, I know I kind of, talked about this before the podcast started, but the Hunger Games is coming out November 20th, and people are scared. Like, they're afraid, like, we're gonna be the, the next Hunger Games, and we're gonna be out here doing the Mockingjay and all that, so they're stopping AI now, so we don't end up being, being, you know.
[55:28] Zach: Well, we're not going to be able to watch it because the power's going to be out on the 17th. The grid's going down on the 17th, so we're not going to be able to see the movie on the 20th. Well,
[55:36] Russ: I, I have a generator. I have a generator, and in my hometown, I already talked to the owner of the theater, and he said he would be running his generator as well, and they would have popcorn and everything. So, I'm excited about it, and, no, but seriously, people, I, I, I do feel like, not people, but the government and Hollywood does have a funny way of, you know, writing things or knowing something that, you know, we may not know, and, and, and it comes true. Is that just something you think that as humans, we kind of, like, look into and make certain things true because we want it to be true, or are these stories really, like,
[56:21] Russ: there to kind of condition us?
[56:26] Zach: I was gonna give Lamb a chance to go first if he wanted to. I
[56:30] Lamb: hope
[56:30] Russ: that made sense.
[56:32] Lamb: Go ahead. I was just distracted by looking up more about the city council, and I don't think we want to go into it right now, so go ahead.
[56:39] Zach: No, yeah, I mean, so I do think, I do think that there's a level of conditioning, right, that we, that happens with the things that come out from Hollywood, and, you know, there's, there's narratives that get spun, and it's pretty clear, you know, a lot of times in stuff that, you know, the, the, the content in these movies and television shows and everything else, they, they want to paint a picture to support or oppose, one, one narrative or the other, and because, society now has so deeply ingrained in, in this culture of entertainment, people eat it up. That's what they do. I mean, you know,
[57:20] Zach: And so they become accustomed to the, this, this particular ideology or that particular ideology based on what they've seen on television and movies. And, you know, maybe some of it arguably is their way of trying to tell people what's happening before it's going to happen. I, I mean, I, I do think that there might be a small element of truth to that, but I think more than anything, it's just about conditioning people one way or the other on something.
[57:51] Russ: I agree with that, but Lamb, did you say you had something else or no?
[57:56] Lamb: I mean, no, there's, maybe we can talk about this more on the next one. I don't know, man, this, this city council is crazy. There's,
[58:05] Russ: I'm, I'm going up there.
[58:06] Lamb: There's, you got to go up there. There's two people that were not present for this vote. So it was unanimous, but there are nine people on this, the city council.
[58:16] Russ: So it, it could have been seven to two.
[58:19] Russ: Jimmy was voting against it. Jimmy was voting against it.
[58:23] Lamb: If I had to guess, I would say it probably wouldn't have been seven to two, but that's just my guess. one of the absent city council members is the youngest in city council history at 21 years old.
[58:39] Lamb: So.
[58:39] Russ: Wouldn't he want AI at 21?
[58:41] Lamb: She, she might, you would think. She? Well,
[58:43] Russ: here's all, here's all I'm saying. Maybe they didn't show up because they knew they were going to lose and they were pissed. Like, this is stupid. You are about to vote this seven to two. We're not even going to waste our time.
[58:56] Russ: Like, this is dumb. Like, I don't know.
[58:59] Lamb: This is what AI gave me, and all I asked for was the information about, I said, give me more information on these people, okay? But can you
[59:08] Russ: trust what your AI is telling you right now? Because it's mad at them, but go ahead.
[59:12] Lamb: It's a good question. All nine Bloomington council members are Democrats. It says that's, I didn't ask for it. It said,
[59:19] Lamb: serving terms that run through 2027. All nine voted yes on the June AI risk resolution. Seven of them passed the superintelligence ban on November 4th. Local coverage quotes almost no one on the ban except its sponsor. Dave Rollo, District 4, the sponsor, has been on the council since 2003, making him its longest serving member and was council president in 20, or 2007 and 2015. He's former Indiana biologist researcher, blah, blah, blah. We don't need to know that. Okay, so
[59:51] Lamb: Isaac Nitti Asari,
[59:56] Lamb: at large council president, is a UI dean and co-directs its cybersecurity and global policy program. Interesting. Sydney Zulich is the youngest person ever selected at 21. I told you about that one. Courtney Daly was appointed in 2024 to fill a vacancy. She works in admissions at IU's Kelly School of Business.
[1:00:19] Russ: Where are you going with this?
[1:00:20] Lamb: By the way, it's a college town, okay? The college, college town of about 80,000.
[1:00:26] Russ: It's a huge college town.
[1:00:28] Lamb: Yeah. So half the population disappears when the school's out. So,
[1:00:33] Lamb: but anyway, I don't know where I'm going with this, but
[1:00:38] Lamb: we'll dig into it more later. It's crazy.
[1:00:42] Zach: I will say that, no, go ahead, Russ.
[1:00:44] Russ: No, you're fine. You got it.
[1:00:46] Zach: I was gonna say the cyber security guy, like I could, I can kinda, kinda see that one, right? Like, so being in cyber security, especially with, you know, understanding that the advancement in AI tech and the potential that it has to
[1:01:04] Zach: crack current cyber security measures, I can see where that guy comes up and says, hey, just so you know, like, these are some potential hazards, these are some potential things, like we might, you know, and that's how the conversation gets brought up. I can see that. But everybody else just going along with it and saying across the board, this stuff is bad, we don't want anything to do with it, when it's very evident, I think, to a lot of people that this is part of the new wave of technology for the future. So for an entire town council to say, we don't want anything to do with it at all.
[1:01:41] Zach: Is, is a little extreme in my opinion.
[1:01:44] Russ: I'd be moving. But if, if, if this guy or all these
[1:01:48] Russ: people were just doing it for like safety reasons, kind of like precaution, why does this vote have to be like a 99.999% scientific research proven that, you know what I'm saying? Like they went to extreme measures to not be able to turn this. 95% of the voters have to vote yes to flip it as well. So they implemented some very strict policy on something that they may need in, in like In the next five years. Well, we can't flip it. Ninety-five percent of the people didn't vote, but now what happens, you know what I'm saying, in five to seven years, like, they can't overturn this vote.
[1:02:29] Zach: Well, here's another thought. It's, it's a college town. What happens when the college de- you know, wants to develop a program to study AI or to, work with AI to, you know, maybe, help their medical field or whatever else, you know, that they've got going on there now, because they're within the city limits of Bloomington or wherever it is, they, they, their hands are tied.
[1:02:55] Russ: Well, I promise you this. If there's a basketball player or a football player at Indiana University that wants to study AI and do all that, their boosters are going to make sure. I mean, they just won the NCAA football college championship just this last year. And with, you know, L deals and all that happening with, you know, so if somebody did come along and was like interested In that or whatever. Like, I just think it's crazy in such a,
[1:03:22] Russ: a dense college town. Like, Indiana University is one of the, like, blue bloods out there in sports as well, and you're gonna put some kind of restriction on AI in city limits where all these kids go to this, you know, huge university? I don't, I don't, it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. Like, even from a financial standpoint, it's a terrible move. Because if you're now not having kids coming in, because as AI starts to progress, and you know what I'm saying? Like, people aren't gonna wanna be a part of that. So something's gonna give, and the booster or something, I promise you, for, like, players, I guess we'll pay the fine. I don't know, but they're, like, we've not heard the last of this, I promise you.
[1:04:07] Lamb: This is the prohibition all over again. People are gonna turn out, like, oh, is that an AI prohibition town? Well, I mean,
[1:04:17] Lamb: I can't go to
[1:04:18] Zach: sleep. Yeah, it kind of seems that way, though. I mean, really, like, that's an excellent way of putting it, is it they've enacted their own version of prohibition on AI. I'm
[1:04:29] Russ: telling you, the first time a five-star recruit doesn't go to Indiana University over this ban at some point, they're done. Like, I don't know what's going to happen, but the, like, hammers will be coming down on this
[1:04:44] Russ: council
[1:04:47] Russ: with Peter Jensen. Like, they won't know what to do. Like, they'll be like, oh,
[1:04:52] Russ: we didn't know we stepped there in that, sorry. But
[1:04:56] Lamb: anyway. It could be this new 21-year-old mayor, because she's running for mayor this next year.
[1:05:05] Zach: Interesting.
[1:05:06] Lamb: She's on the city council. She's running for mayor. Anyway.
[1:05:11] Zach: But, man, guys, I hate to do it, but we are right here at the, the end of time for tonight. And, man, this was a, this was an interesting one. The, the conversation here was, definitely lively. So, and I do think that we have not heard the last of this conversation as far as the Bloomington is concerned. But, I want to throw it over to you guys for final thoughts so we can wrap this thing up.
[1:05:36] Russ: I'm good. I think I've said all I've needed to say. I mean, just, you know,
[1:05:42] Russ: wife changing money and don't bet against AI.
[1:05:46] Lamb: Same for now. I just say, Bloomington, we've got, we've got our eye on you and Russ is coming.
[1:05:53] Russ: You think that's a joke until it's not.
[1:05:58] Zach: Yeah, man, I,
[1:06:00] Zach: Yeah, I don't really know how to wrap this one up, guys. I gotta say, it has been a crazy week. There's been crazy stuff in the news. I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon, so make sure you guys tune in for more episodes of the Wolf Pack, where we just, we're gonna unpack all kinds of stuff around here. So,
[1:06:18] Zach: appreciate everybody tuning in, and we'll see you
[1:06:23] Russ: next
[1:06:31] Intro/Outro: week. Y'all have a good one. Peace.
[1:07:02] Russ: Yeah, like are we live?
[1:07:03] Zach: Are we live? Okay. All right. Well, welcome everybody to another episode of the Woof Pack podcast.
[1:07:10] Russ: Mac.
[1:07:14] Russ: Mac.
[1:07:16] Russ: You're muted.
[1:07:18] Lamb: Did he go to the bathroom?
[1:07:23] Russ: He didn't play the intro music, did he?
[1:07:25] Zach: No.
[1:07:25] Russ: Yeah, I think you did start it. You may want to turn this one up.